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Wednesday, 05 August 2009

  • Homosexuality and Sin

    So, my friend Danny asked a question on my wall about resources for learning about a certain perspective of homosexuality and sin, which prompted a discussion. If you'd like to see it in it's original context, you can go to my wall and read it. The discussion is still going, after all. Anyways, I've been talking about writing a blog post about homosexuality for about the last five years, but I haven't done it because my argument gets deeper and more nuanced every year, and I never feel it is complete. But it seemed to find me this time, so I went with it, and this is what I've got so far.

    I'll start by setting up how the discussion started. My friend Adam commented and said:

    "Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."
    Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their blood will be on their own heads."
    1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

    Seems pretty straight forward from a sin/non-sin perspective. Although I don't have a problem with a gay civil union. Just because you are gay doesn't mean you should be governed differently."


    So I responded with...

    "@ Adam - Very few things are straightforward, especially when it comes to interpreting scripture. That's why we have a bazillion different mainline denominations, with those biblical scholars all thinking they are doing it correctly. I think these verses, along with others on this topic, require further exploration, or at least the same treatment we give to the rest of the verses that seem out of step with the Great Commandment."


    Then he responded with...

    "I'm open to differing opinions I just can't see how "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination." can be interpreted in any other way then homosexuality is a sin. I would be very interested in seeing some scripture that says otherwise. It doesn't say anything about loving them less, just that it is wrong. I am curious as to how you see that being outside of the Great Commandment."


    So then I wrote a novel.

    The Great Commandment sums up the law. It is even said several times throughout the Torah, for that exact purpose. So every law can, and is supposed to be, filtered through that idea. So if you were to take one of the laws, like "Do not lie", that implies that somehow lying is either not loving God and/or not loving your neighbor. I feel it is easy... Read More for us to understand why lying would not be a way to express love to God or our neighbore. Therefore, lying is against the Great Commandment, and therefore a sin.

    So if we take the law, "Man shall not lie with another man" it is assumed that a person that does this is somehow not loving God or loving their neighbor. This is where I feel we run into trouble, because if one were a Christian who loves God, and who happens to love someone of the same sex, and thus wants to express that love in a physical way, I have a lot of trouble figuring out how that act contradicts the Great Commandment; thus, how it could be considered sinful.

    So, we have two options: we simply throw that particular scripture out, chalking it up to a mistake, or we try and take a closer look at it and figure out what it really meant to the people it was written to and what it means for us today. I personally believe that all scripture is indeed "God-breathed" so I am naturally inclined to do the second.

    So I next ask the question, how could a man lie with another man in a way that does not love God or a neighbor? Knowing what I know about Hebrew culture, there could be several ways. First, marriages were arranged as business agreements, often requiring men to provide payment for their wife, the property of the family. Once that was taken care of, the man and the woman marry and become one flesh. No dating is involved, and no attraction is needed...especially in the woman's case. Once you are married, you have children immediately, and you raise your children up to know Yahweh and live according to the Law, properly acting as husband or wife. The perpetuation of the Jewish faith and culture depended on this structure.

    So, if a man were to lie with another man, several things in this very important structure could go wrong. One, it probably happens out of wedlock, since marriages are typically arranged not long after puberty occurs. It's hard to love your wife when you cheat on ... Read Moreher, and it's hard to teach your children about Yahweh (thus loving Yahweh) when your family resultingly breaks up literally or emotionally.

    Two, if a man happened to not be married, either because he is a widow or something else, lying with another man would not bear children. Since the whole purpose of marrying was to bare children and perpetuate the Jewish religion and culture, this would fail to do that. It's hard to love God when you are not in a position to teach others about Him.

    Three, oftentimes men lying with other "men" implied men lying with little boys...in other words, child molestation and rape. I don't think I need to go into how this particular act fails to love your neighbor.

    So, as I have pointed out, there is a lot behind this law, just as there is a lot behind every law. I do not believe God lays out ... Read Morearbitrary rules for us to follow, and the process of figuring out what the laws really mean and what God is trying to teach us, as individuals and as a church, can be wonderfully fulfilling and exciting. How awesome it is that God loves us so much that he shares with us what is best for us so we don't have to learn the hard way.

    So, what does this mean for us today? Let's look at each of the three examples. One, don't have sex outside of marriage. Two, if you have children, raise them up to know Christ and walk in His ways. (I don't think God calls everyone to have children anymore. Our world is more than populated, we have plenty of other ways to spread the Good News, and hundreds of thousands of children need to be adopted.) Three, don't rape anybody, including children.

    So, that's why I have presently come to the conclusion that homosexuality as a general rule, does not defy the Great Commandment, and is thus, not a sin. I have not closed the conversation though. If you can think... Read More of a way that two Godly men or women in a monogamous relationship somehow inherently causes them or other people to not love God or love their neighbor, I am all ears.

Sunday, 28 June 2009

  • Yuck

    So, I'm just a tad tired right now. Let me tell you why.

    Yesterday, I got up early (for a Saturday...it was like 10...that's saying a lot since I went to bed at 2:00) and went to Wal-Mart, Hallmark, and Sally Beauty, and ate lunch with Kurt in town. I came back, intending to do stuff, and fell asleep for like, four hours. Oops. I got up later and finished doing stuff, but then my sleep schedule was all thrown off, so I stayed up entirely too late. I slept in too late today and had to rush to get ready for church. (I did the music today, Jessica was out of town.) Right after church, Kurt and I hit the road for Winnsboro, where we ate lunch, then went to a graduation ceremony, where I presented two certificates to two graduates of the rehabilitation center where I do my parenting class as my group work for my internship. Then we left there, very early, to head back, where I sent Kurt over to the church to prepare for youth that night and I went to Sulphur Springs to pick up a girl to come to youth. Got back just in time and sent the youth (12 showed up...wow!) to work painting some smiley faces for a fundraiser we're doing. Then spent the rest of the time leading yucky/water games. They left at six, and I was there until 7:45 cleaning up. I now am getting ready to shower, and once I do that, I need to go back and mop and do a few dishes at the church. THEN I need to come back home and clean out the spare bedrooms that became disastrous when I switched jobs.

    So of course, I'm here at my computer, texting one of the youth and talking to my husband while updating this thing.

    We had a lot of fun though. Shaving cream, water, ketchup, and mustard was our goo of choice. If you'd like more details about the games, I'd be happy to share them with you.

    And I only work four days this week! I leave for Springfield Thursday night after work for the Friends Forever get together on Friday, Lisa's wedding shower on Saturday, and Chris and Elizabeth's wedding Saturday afternoon. I think I'll try and get to Aldersgate UMC on Sunday too before hitting the road. Ahhh, what a great weekend.

    Oh, and Kurt and my's 3 year anniversary is Wednesday. Whoo! We'll go somewhere nice Tuesday night to celebrate. THEN, I won't see him for over two more weeks, because he'll be in Ireland. Booooo. We've got Google chat and webcams and such all set up, but it won't be the same, that's for sure. Oy.

    Okay, that's all. Going to go shower now and get the shaving cream, ketchup, and mustard out of my hair.

    Beth

Friday, 19 June 2009

  • Youth Group Summer Schedule

    Here's a taste of what I am organizing and doing with the youth this summer:

    Just finished VBS. Amazing success, in my opinion.

    June 28th: Game Day
    We are making stuff for a fundraiser and playing water/messy games.

    July 12th: Bonfire
    Games, s'mores, and fire!

    July 25th: Bake Sale Fundraiser at Walmart

    July 31st: Six Flags

    August 8th-9th: Camping Trip
    Going to Purley Gates for a day and night. Horseback riding, swimming, paddle boats and fishing, volleyball, baseball, game room, fire ring, and we'll do an impromptu ropes course. All for cheap!

    August 30th: Fall Kick-Off
    We'll do something fun.

    So much for summer break, right? But no, it's gonna be awesome. I can hardly wait.

Thursday, 14 May 2009

  • I guarantee you will be bored to tears if you read this. Consider yourself warned.

    Right now I am so. freaking. tired.

    So far this week, I wrote an 8 page paper, a 12 page paper, and two 7 page papers. Praise Jesus that I didn't have any interviews scheduled today, because I feel like a zombie sitting at my desk typing this. The only thing I have left is to take a test for my online class, and in order to do that I need to locate the page numbers for the stuff on my study guide so I can quickly access the answers when taking it online. (It's open book, I'm not cheating.) But there are a TON of questions, so this will be no small feat, and I have a feeling that this test will take a little longer than the last one, which took nearly two hours. (Three hour time limit.) I was hoping against hope that I could get the study guide done at work this morning and take the test tonight before bed, but I don't know if that will happen. It's kinda hard to concentrate when I my mental state resembles that of the living dead.

    Anyways, everything ends by Friday night at the latest. It is my plan to spend ALL of Saturday deep cleaning my house in preparation for the ridiculous summer I have planned. Then on Sunday I have a party to go to, so that should be fun. Jeltje is planning the youth program that night, so I can relax that afternoon, and I won't have to worry about making it back RIGHT at four. And then Monday night....

    Summer semester begins.

    Blaurgh.

    The reason there is no break is because in order for us to have time to get all of our counseling hours in a summer semester, we need an extra three weeks. Even then it will be cutting it close. I've been adding new clients for weeks and am already carrying a full load, so that aspect won't change, but I will have to add to that a weekly four hour class that meets in Mesquite (Dallas) and the homework that this professor is notorious for having a lot of. Fun times.

    I had to sit down the other night and figure out my summer schedule, just to see IF I could pull off my internship this summer in addition to working and all of my trips. I can do it, but I am going to be EXHAUSTED come July. The rest of May and June are going to be insane. Here's a preview:

     

    May 21-24 Trip to San Antonio with Jen

    May 27-31 Trip to St. Louis for Kurt's DCOM and Diane's wedding, for which I'm singing

    June 7-10  Youth mission experience in Sulphur Springs

    June 14-17 VBS - in the evenings, so I won't miss work, but there's no way I'll be able to be an assigned leader, and I'll miss one evening completely. I might skip another night for my sanity's sake.

    July 3-6  Trip to Springfield for Friends for Ever thing and Chris and Elizabeth's wedding

    And because of all of these trips, I have to make up both the Practicum hours I miss AND the work hours I miss, because I have no leave time. I am going to be working 11 and 12 hour days for the first five weeks of summer. I sincerely hope I don't die.

     

    And then right after all this excitement takes a break, Kurt leaves for Ireland for 2 weeks. Poo. Of course, I may be too busy sleeping to notice.

    The reason I am killing myself to get my internship done this summer is because I really don't want to try and do it next Spring. Next Spring I will still be working part time, taking one or two classes, and studying for comps. In addition, Kurt and I will be preparing for our move to Missouri and everything that that entails. So yeah. Trying to squeeze an internship in then would probably be my breaking point.

    The thing that probably makes me saddest is that there is a good chance I could miss GRACE camp this year. (camp for teen moms at Galilee) I am already missing Paul's camp because they are the same week, I would hate to miss this one too. I had to tell Jan to plan on another worship leader because I couldn't give her a resolute answer until late June, possibly early July. These summer camps are what really fill me up spiritually to last the rest of the year, and the idea of missing it breaks my heart.

    I am, however, looking forward to visiting my grandparents in Minnesota August 13-16. We are going after my last summer class day, so any hours I get between then and the fall semester are gravy for my fall internship, and I will have plenty of time to make up my work hours that I miss. So it will be a stress-free break. They are taking Kurt and me to the Lake Itasca and the source waters of the Mississippi river. It's going to be awesome.

    So yeah. I'm going to end here on a positive note. It's almost time for me to leave for my last Practicum supervision and class! Woohoo! It couldn't have gotten here any sooner.

    Peace everyone!

    Beth

Wednesday, 08 April 2009

  • School...and Divorce (no, not mine)

    So, this is my first day since I started work at the Advocacy Center that I haven't been hard at work ALL DAY. It's basically because we've been hosting a monitor all day. I've been able to catch up on paper work and take some breathing time. It's been nice. I'll be able to go home tonight and actually accomplish some things because I won't be exhausted to the point of breaking!

    My job at the Advocacy Center is so far going pretty well. I have conducted five supervised interviews so far, and man, I have heard some stuff.  I think people will be shocked if they hear me talk about the things I hear on a regular basis. I will probably tell some stories on here, (vaguely of course and with no names, dates, etc.) but I feel more comfortable waiting until some time has passed so that there's no possibility of being able to track who I'm talking about. I am learning though, and even though my first interview was quite shaky, the rest have been much better, and will hopefully continue to be better. I think my favorite part of the job thus far are going to Multi-Disciplinary Team (MDT) meeting with CPS, law enforcement, and district attorneys from each county...mainly because we always eat at great restaraunts and I can eat out guilt free!

    School is going alright. Practicum has been very stressful because of my professor, but I have learned some very useful things. I see myself growing as a counselor and am looking forward to continuing the growth process these next two semesters. Speaking of that, as you all know, I am taking my internship during the summer, so I will have quite the busy summer between that and twenty hours of work. I am going to try and work out that I will be off on Friday afternoons, which will free up my ability to travel on the weekends for a gazillion weddings in Missouri, and will also give me a spare afternoon so that if I have to take some time off, I will have a built-in afternoon that I can use to make up hours if need be. So hopefully all will work out.

    Unfortunately, my hours at camp will NOT be able to be double-counted for my internship, because my supervisor will not be present. Major bummer. That doesn't necessarily mean I can't go, but it makes going a lot more difficult. I will not only have to make up 10 counseling hours, but also 20 work hours, as I have no leave time. In addition, I will have a few other days I will have to take off. I have training for a few days in June for my work, I have a three day youth mission trip in June, and I will be off 2 or 3 days in May to go up to St. Louis for Kurt's DCOM and Diane's wedding AND to go to San Antonio with Jen. So, there will already be a strong possibility of being behind in hours by the time camp comes along, and I may not only need that week to be keeping up, but possibly also making up missed hours. So that really sucks. BUT, if I have enough clients and are able to reschedule some hours as I go along, it may not even end up being an issue. Unfortunately, I have to let Jan, the director of the camp, know pretty soon whether or not I can go so that she can arrange for another worship leader, and I won't know for sure until later on. And as I'm typing this, I'm realizing that I'll need to just tell Jan to make other arrangements, even if I do end up being able to go. It's just the right thing to do. Ugh. Grad school really sucks sometimes.

    On the upside, I'm really looking forward to the professor I will have this summer. She has a great reputation, seems very friendly and down to earth, and I get the feeling from her bio that she is the kind of counselor I'd like to be someday. So I'm hoping to learn a lot from her. I will also have people to carpool with every week to Mesquite! Yea for saving gas and sanity!

     

    So, to COMPLETELY change the subject, I have heard of entirely too many friends getting divorced lately. I'm not trying to say that I resent them or judge them for it - just the opposite, in fact. I hurt so much for them. Being married now, I really understand how all-consuming it is, and how breaking off a marriage just breaks your life apart in every way it can. In the past six months, I've heard of five marriages breaking off: a best friend, a cousin, a good Texas friend, a now mutual good friend from Kurt's life, and an old friend of the family's. In addition, an engagement of a very old friend was recently broken, which was also devastating to hear about, as they had been together nearly five years. That's longer than me and Kurt. So yeah. I don't think I can take hearing about much more. I hope so much for the people I care deeply about to find love and happiness in their lives. It sucks so much that in order for that to happen now they will have to go through such a painful process.

    To those of you reading this that this refers to, you are not alone. Rely on God and the people He has placed in your life: your friends, family, and maybe even professionals in your community. Do not hesitate to call them, or me, if I am one of them. Your friends and family love you and want you to do just that.

     

    Okay, since it's almost time to leave work, I'm going to end on a happier note! Kurt is home this week for Holy Week, so I will see him when I get home! I love and miss everyone reading this. Peace.

    Beth

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